From:   MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:39:35 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
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Totally agree with marissa. We just need to get off our asses and do some serious  outreach and stop talking about it.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
> We are not a union in the collective bargaining sense.
> This isn't just about grievances.
> Its about alternatives.
>
> Marisa
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen
> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +million, yes.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And
>>> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there
>>> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot
>>> understand WHY to occupywallstreet.
>>>
>>> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the
>>> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy,
>>> then the assembly must be able to set demands.
>>>
>>> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's
>>> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount
>>> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that
>>> will inspire the nation.
>>>
>>> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive
>>> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands.
>>>
>>> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how
>>> to improve things.
>>>
>>> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it
>>> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will
>>> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the
>>> nation.
>>>
>>> Micah
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process
>>>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world.
>>>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands.
>>>>
>>>> Marisa
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM,  <flux@fluxview.com> wrote:
>>>> >  "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt
>>>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a
>>>> > powerful statement.
>>>> >
>>>> > Solidarity,
>>>> > ~ FluxRostrum
>>>> >
>>>> > Current Project
>>>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Home Base
>>>> > http://Fluxview.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the
>>>> >> plaza.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of
>>>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the
>>>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee
>>>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world
>>>> >> needs
>>>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise
>>>> >> everyone
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term
>>>> >> demands,
>>>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you
>>>> >> leave
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> plaza.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> powerful statement.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Micah
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes
>>>> >> <
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