From:   Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:29:27 AM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99
 

I absolutely agree with Ryan. I've felt this all along, and that is

why I have never been completely comfortable with the "99 percent"

idea as, to reiterate what Ryan said, "THE central message." Yes, to

"inclusive but weak," yes to "majorly lacks a class analysis." As

some of you have been writing, "+1" or "+1,000."

 

Richard

 

On Sep 20, 7:38 am, Ryan David Acuff <rac...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what?  Is the implication that the

> people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make

> $350,000 a year?   If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a

> class analysis.    It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate

> massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to

> redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in

> the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism.  I believe we

> need to democratize the economy.  I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive,

> but weak as THE central message.  but if I'm missing something let me know.

>

> As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a

> principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target

> enough to be adopted by the GA.

>

> Ryan

>

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen

> <allenico...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit.

> > i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be

> > able to raise it at the GA tomorrow.

>

> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:

> > > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little

> > > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point,

> > given

> > > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a

> > single

> > > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule

> > basis,

> > > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday,

> > > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care,

> > > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order

> > to

> > > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on

> > board

> > > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement

> > as

> > > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is

> > the

> > > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad

> > > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be

> > > made in.

>

> > > Doug

>

> > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen

> > > <allenico...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General

> > >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA?

>

> > >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with

> > >> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our

> > >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of

> > >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a

> > >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as

> > >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what

> > >> happened in Spain, with considerable success.

>

> > >> OK!

>

> > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud

> > >> <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> wrote:

> > >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99.

> > >> >  I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the

> > GA

> > >> > tomorrow?

>

> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote:

>

> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a

> > >> > slight

> > >> > edit to #wearethe99

>

> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud

> > >> > <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> wrote:

>

> > >> >> Dear friends,

> > >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and

> > >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of

> > >> >> the

> > >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too

> > homogeneous,

> > >> >> due

> > >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example:

> > >> >> the

> > >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by

> > Adbusters,

> > >> >> etc).

> > >> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt,

> > >> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we

> > >> >> don't

> > >> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just

> > >> >> another

> > >> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive

> > >> >> outreach

> > >> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%.

> > >> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching

> > >> >> for

> > >> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our

> > space

> > >> >> in

> > >> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone

> > >> >> form

> > >> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares,

> > >> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a

> > >> >> clear

> > >> >> message:

> > >> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control

> > almost all

> > >> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%."

> > >> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing

> > >> >> this

> > >> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd

> > >> >> for

> > >> >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us."

> > >> >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and

> > even

> > >> >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a

> > >> >> really

> > >> >> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional

> > identities,

> > >> >> let's become a real multitude!

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