From:   J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:54:16 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD
 

Perhaps it is of some value to distill everything down not quite to one somewhat abstract demand like Money Out Of Politics but to a few specific ones -- ending the doctrine of corporate personhood, reversing the effects of the Citizens United ruling, ending the consideration of political donation as an area protected by free speech rights, publicly financed elections, &c. Sorry I can't be there to propose these things; just thinking like a political strategist.

In solidarity,

JAM

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:50 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
The posters and chants have several excellent demands explicitly stated, which could be distilled to one:

Get the corporate money out of politics.  Everything else would follow - health care, holding industrial polluters accountable, fair taxation, etc.

It's the corporate money that is poisoning the discourse.  We don't live in a democracy anymore.  Corporations own the media, all we get is propaganda.  Legislators don't represent their electorate, they are owned by lobbyists.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
that's one interpretation. you're projecting your own view onto the GA and stating it as fact.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that we need a WHY but that doesn't have to take the form of demands.
Assemblies decide on much more than demands.
They are a prefigurative model for a new society.

Marisa

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Marisa and I were both on KPFK's "Uprising Radio" this morning. And
> Marisa can attest that the host was sympathetic but very critical that there
> was no simple demand. People are losing interest because they cannot
> understand WHY to occupywallstreet.
>
> Our power comes from the assembly when the assembly shows the world that the
> assembly can decide on demands. If the assembly is the model for democracy,
> then the assembly must be able to set demands.
>
> Can a people's assembly decide on a list of demands or not? If the people's
> assembly is unable to decide on a list of demands, then that is tantamount
> to saying it is unable to provide a concrete vision of how to proceed that
> will inspire the nation.
>
> We need to put things in perspective and realize that this a decisive
> moment. The world is waiting to hear your demands.
>
> Let's engage with the nation, and show that we have a concrete vision on how
> to improve things.
>
> Start with a simple demand, and see how people respond. Maybe you'll get it
> immediately, maybe Obama will say it is impossible, maybe the pundits will
> debate it... realize that we can start setting the conversation in the
> nation.
>
> Micah
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process
>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world.
>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands.
>>
>> Marisa
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM,  <flux@fluxview.com> wrote:
>> >  "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt
>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a
>> > powerful statement.
>> >
>> > Solidarity,
>> > ~ FluxRostrum
>> >
>> > Current Project
>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com
>> >
>> > Home Base
>> > http://Fluxview.com
>> >
>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the
>> >> plaza.
>> >>
>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of
>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.
>> >>
>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the
>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee
>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world
>> >> needs
>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise
>> >> everyone
>> >> is
>> >> going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term
>> >> demands,
>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you
>> >> leave
>> >> the
>> >> plaza.
>> >>
>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that
>> >> is
>> >> a
>> >> powerful statement.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Micah
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes
>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza.
>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible.
>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the
>> >>> legal team.
>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marisa
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow
>> >>> <disorganizecm@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity
>> >>> > with
>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might
>> >>> > be
>> >>> more
>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in
>> >>> > the
>> >>> event
>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more
>> >>> > noted
>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street.
>> >>> > Our
>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical
>> >>> > presence.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Just my two cents.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen
>> >>> > <dougsingsen@gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target
>> >>> >> Wall
>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It
>> >>> would be
>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the
>> >>> >> encampment
>> >>> if
>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <
>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is
>> >>> central
>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up
>> >>> >>> Broadway
>> >>> will
>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto
>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that
>> >>> >>>> if
>> >>> was
>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be
>> >>> >>>> determined
>> >>> >>>> by
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as
>> >>> >>>> soon
>> >>> as
>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or
>> >>> Battery
>> >>> >>>>> Park?
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza
>> >>> >>>>>> around
>> >>> 7am
>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>





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