From:   flux@fluxview.com
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:03:01 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD
 

technically we're squatting on private property


Quoting Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com>:

> WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO FREELY AND PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE IN PUBLIC TO REDRESS
> OUR GRIEVENCES.
>
> Or is that too constitutional?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Marisa Holmes
> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We are currently drafting collectively, through the democratic process
>> of the assembly, principles of unity and a statement to the world.
>> Our power comes from the example we set not from demands.
>>
>> Marisa
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM,  <flux@fluxview.com> wrote:
>> >  "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA/Congress/FEC/SupremeCourt
>> > AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that is a
>> > powerful statement.
>> >
>> > Solidarity,
>> > ~ FluxRostrum
>> >
>> > Current Project
>> > http://MobileBroadcastNews.com
>> >
>> > Home Base
>> > http://Fluxview.com
>> >
>> > Quoting Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Outreach is not enough, if people don't know why they are coming to the
>> >> plaza.
>> >>
>> >> I really think that you all need to come up with a demand, or a list of
>> >> demands, that the nation can latch onto and understand.
>> >>
>> >> In Madrid, they had two demand committees. One committee formulated the
>> >> long-term revolutionary anti-capitalist demands and the other committee
>> >> formulated the short term "reformist" demands.  Right now, the world
>> needs
>> >> to hear a "reformist" demand come out of the assembly, otherwise
>> everyone
>> >> is
>> >> going to start ignoring you.  You can also release your long-term
>> demands,
>> >> but there needs to be a demand that can be accomplished before you leave
>> >> the
>> >> plaza.
>> >>
>> >> "WE WILL NOT LEAVE LIBERTY PLAZA UNTIL OBAMA AGREES TO XXXXX!" -- that
>> is
>> >> a
>> >> powerful statement.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Micah
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Marisa Holmes
>> >> <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Its absolutely vital that we keep Liberty Plaza.
>> >>> We need to do outreach to whoever possible.
>> >>> Also, we will be getting a report today from the
>> >>> legal team.
>> >>> Come to the 1pm General Assembly.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marisa
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mellow Yellow <
>> disorganizecm@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity
>> >>> > with
>> >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might
>> be
>> >>> more
>> >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the
>> >>> event
>> >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more
>> >>> > noted
>> >>> > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street.
>> Our
>> >>> > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical
>> >>> > presence.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Just my two cents.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <
>> dougsingsen@gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target
>> >>> >> Wall
>> >>> >> St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It
>> >>> would be
>> >>> >> much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the
>> >>> >> encampment
>> >>> if
>> >>> >> we lost the connection to Wall St.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <
>> >>> disorganizecm@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is
>> >>> central
>> >>> >>> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up
>> >>> >>> Broadway
>> >>> will
>> >>> >>> frustrate Police efforts to follow.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> See you oguys there as soon as I can
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto
>> >>> >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that
>> if
>> >>> was
>> >>> >>>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be
>> determined
>> >>> >>>> by
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as
>> >>> >>>> soon
>> >>> as
>> >>> >>>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or
>> >>> Battery
>> >>> >>>>> Park?
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza
>> around
>> >>> 7am
>> >>> >>>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
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