From:   Harrison Schultz <>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:31:27 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD

We haven't been able to come up with a single demand and I highly doubt we will because the system of oppression we are fighting isn't that simple.  Trying to come up with a single demand hasn't worked and I suggest we try a new approach rather than spend more time bickering.   

Rather than issue a demand, rather than attempt to hold banksters and corrupt politicians accountable I suggest that we state common purpose:  to create a new start for this country and the world by building a new free and just community right underneath the corrupt source of our failed society...or something like this...It's precisely and exactly what we've been doing these past few days in my opinion.  A little Utopian inspiration will get us a lot farther than more angry rhetoric, there's nothing revolutionary about the later...



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Richard S. <> wrote:
The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the
people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially
on weekends, looked relatively well off to me.  The park itself is
always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or
another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is
such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting
one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more
likely not to be noticed.

On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <> wrote:
> Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with
> many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more
> ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event
> we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted
> amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our
> message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence.
> Just my two cents.
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <>wrote:
> > But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall
> > St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be
> > much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if
> > we lost the connection to Wall St.
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <>wrote:
> >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central
> >> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will
> >> frustrate Police efforts to follow.
> >> See you oguys there as soon as I can
> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <
> >> > wrote:
> >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was
> >>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the
> >>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as
> >>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.
> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
> >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery
> >>>> Park?
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <> wrote:
> >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am
> >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?