From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:46:56 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: RE: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99
 

 There are probably a good 30 or 40% who could never agree with what we are trying to do, but there are people making over $250,000 that are in fact being abused by the 1% since their small businesses do not get the breaks that the giant corporations do.  If we could win small business people to our side, by pointing out that all of the breaks go to their biggest competitors, and their customers are losing their jobs to pay for it, it would take major allies from the transnationals.  I know some of you have no sympathy for the upper middle class (or lower upper class), for good reason, but if they want to be on our side, we shouldthink twice about chasing them away.
The 99% message is inclusive.  The people that don't want to be included won't need us to tell them.   
On 09/20/11, Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Yes- it works great as a rhetorical slogan, but unfortunately is not true. The 1% works language since 1% have majority economic control, but part of the 99%  (Is it the top 10%?, the top managerial class and some of the petty capitalists (smaller than the 1% owners) have common interests with the top 1% and are too well compensated, often in stocks, i.e. ownership of the means of production to ever be on our side. They have a different agenda; that’s who the Tea Party are. We do need a better class analysis to identify who our real, potential allies are – mostly the working class and middle class. We’re right about Wall St, the ruling class, but don’t speak enough about the crucial position of the working class who ultimately have the power to shut it all down. Let’s get a good radical economist to do a workshop with us.

 


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan David Acuff
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:38 AM
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99

 

I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what?  Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year?   If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis.    It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism.  I believe we need to democratize the economy.  I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message.  but if I'm missing something let me know. 

As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. 

Ryan

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote:

yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit.
i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be
able to raise it at the GA tomorrow.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little
> premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given
> that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single
> city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis,
> our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday,
> practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care,
> housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to
> have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board
> than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as
> a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the
> best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad
> movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be
> made in.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen
> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General
>> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA?
>>
>> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with
>> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our
>> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of
>> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a
>> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as
>> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what
>> happened in Spain, with considerable success.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud
>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
>> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99.
>> >  I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA
>> > tomorrow?
>> >
>> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
>> >
>> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a
>> > slight
>> > edit to #wearethe99
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud
>> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear friends,
>> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and
>> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of
>> >> the
>> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous,
>> >> due
>> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example:
>> >> the
>> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters,
>> >> etc).
>> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt,
>> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we
>> >> don't
>> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just
>> >> another
>> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive
>> >> outreach
>> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%.
>> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching
>> >> for
>> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space
>> >> in
>> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone
>> >> form
>> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares,
>> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a
>> >> clear
>> >> message:
>> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all
>> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%."
>> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing
>> >> this
>> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd
>> >> for
>> >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us."
>> >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even
>> >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a
>> >> really
>> >> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities,
>> >> let's become a real multitude!
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

 

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