From:   Willie Osterweil <>
Sent time:   Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:17:22 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah?

I agree with Gail. It is a liberated space: anyone can do anything they like. But when organizers begin officially endorsing certain actions...

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
There's nothing to stop people from celebrating anything they want.  The question is whether it should be a policy of the group to provide for a religious ritual.  Once you do that for one sect, you become open to criticism if you don't do it for others.  It can become a headache, or worse, and it is unnecessary.

I'll shut up now.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM, grimwomyn <> wrote:

Yeah to ignore the jewish high holiday season in nyc would be like trying to ignore new years eve or 4th of july... we don't want to be cold and without joy do we?

On Sep 22, 2011 10:51 AM, "Matthew Presto" <> wrote:
> I also say this as a non-religious person.... I'm not suggesting imposing a
> religious tradition upon the group; it's about providing a space within our
> occupation for those wishing to celebrate this holiday. If we want to have
> as many people as possible, we should provide opportunities for things that
> people would otherwise go elsewhere to. We're not the state and I have no
> desire to reflect it, so I don't think there's any obligation to avoid
> discussion and inclusion of religion at the occupation. Moreover, many
> secular Jews celebrate Rosh Hashanah as a cultural, not religious,
> tradition.
> Matt
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
>> If we provide vegan food we can be inclusive to religious tradition, it is
>> the respectful thing to do... I say this as fierce athiest who has respect
>> for all inclinations.
>> On Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM, "gail zawacki" <> wrote:
>> > Can't we keep religion out of this? The US democracy was based on a
>> > separation of church and state. Isn't Occupy Wall Street a political
>> > protest? I see endless complications once you open that door.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think this is a terrific idea matthew, seconded
>> >> On Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM, "Matthew Presto" <>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hey all,
>> >> > In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some
>> time
>> >> > next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh
>> >> Hashanah
>> >> > related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since
>> >> > they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!),
>> but
>> >> > maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate
>> Rosh
>> >> > Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what
>> could
>> >> > take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there...
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >>