From:   Justin Wedes <>
Sent time:   Friday, September 23, 2011 10:29:35 AM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?"

All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real.

It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exaxctly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role.

Think Billionaires for Bush.


On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote:

This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:
I guess I'm confused about our intent here:

Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come with NON-ALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared.

My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration.

If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in.


On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote:

I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons.  He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs.  I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits.  Good call on the juice!  


On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
yes sparkling apple juice!

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:
Yes, record!

And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs.

CC'ing , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits.

who's point person to coordinate everything?


On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote:

Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this.  I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it...



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
terrific-- see you in business casual my friend

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:
it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already).

this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon!

who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate.

just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest


On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote:

yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
My guess is no one will be there.  It's just a stupid joke.  Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri.  I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more.  I don't want her to see it.  The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:

Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. 

The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up.

I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are.

A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody.

NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact. 

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <> wrote:
I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were
more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.