From:   Gabriel Johnson <>
Sent time:   Friday, September 23, 2011 11:16:55 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?"

Can there be a spare cheap suit for me? (Or at least a pair of slacks?)




On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Harrison Schultz <> wrote:

> I'm feeling what you're writing Justin!

> H.


> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:


>> also, can u send me your # and i'll call u now

>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote:


>> I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation"


>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:


>>> All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real.

>>> It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we

>>> can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play

>>> the role.

>>> Think Billionaires for Bush.

>>> -j

>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote:


>>> This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the

>>> pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to

>>> keep up with at his trading desk.


>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <> wrote:


>>>> I guess I'm confused about our intent here:

>>>> Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be

>>>> staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come

>>>> with NON-ALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle

>>>> that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared.

>>>> My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this

>>>> "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall

>>>> street" folks in absurd celebration.

>>>> If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with

>>>> the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't

>>>> really matter for the video as long as we get in.

>>>> -justin

>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote:


>>>> I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open

>>>> container is arrest-able, and should include a summons.  He encouraged us to

>>>> take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their

>>>> jobs.  I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have

>>>> them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their

>>>> digits.  Good call on the juice!

>>>> H.



>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <> wrote:


>>>>> yes sparkling apple juice!


>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <>

>>>>> wrote:


>>>>>> Yes, record!

>>>>>> And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs.

>>>>>> CC'ing , who's on the ground at media center, to

>>>>>> help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men

>>>>>> to join action too, in suits.

>>>>>> who's point person to coordinate everything?

>>>>>> -j

>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote:


>>>>>> Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for

>>>>>> this.  I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they

>>>>>> don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and

>>>>>> record it...

>>>>>> Awesome!

>>>>>> H.


>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <>

>>>>>> wrote:


>>>>>>> terrific-- see you in business casual my friend


>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <>

>>>>>>> wrote:


>>>>>>>> it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this

>>>>>>>> action (if it isn't ours already).

>>>>>>>> this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this

>>>>>>>> afternoon!

>>>>>>>> who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men

>>>>>>>> about our camp, so can't coordinate.

>>>>>>>> just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have

>>>>>>>> a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be

>>>>>>>> on the counter-protest


>>>>>>>> -j

>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote:


>>>>>>>> yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay

>>>>>>>> strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or

>>>>>>>> broadcast.


>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <>

>>>>>>>> wrote:


>>>>>>>>> My guess is no one will be there.  It's just a stupid joke.  Look

>>>>>>>>> at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri.  I won't

>>>>>>>>> let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and

>>>>>>>>> it might upset her more.  I don't want her to see it.  The mere fact some

>>>>>>>>> random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:

>>>>>>>>> Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big

>>>>>>>>> of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to

>>>>>>>>> you though Mariel.


>>>>>>>>> The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor,

>>>>>>>>> threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If

>>>>>>>>> you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you

>>>>>>>>> run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station,

>>>>>>>>> apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at

>>>>>>>>> them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to

>>>>>>>>> wise up.


>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you

>>>>>>>>> seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have.

>>>>>>>>> Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for

>>>>>>>>> self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are.


>>>>>>>>> A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did

>>>>>>>>> not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where

>>>>>>>>> you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where

>>>>>>>>> you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody.


>>>>>>>>> NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that

>>>>>>>>> used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you

>>>>>>>>> think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working

>>>>>>>>> stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen.

>>>>>>>>> They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this

>>>>>>>>> world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made

>>>>>>>>> the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they

>>>>>>>>> made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise

>>>>>>>>> the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with

>>>>>>>>> the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the

>>>>>>>>> end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.


>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:


>>>>>>>>>> I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there

>>>>>>>>>> were

>>>>>>>>>> more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.