From:   Doug Singsen <>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:06:38 PM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: revolution, not a riot, revolution

Every revolution in history has begun with demands for reform. You don't begin a revolution by trying to "prefigure" a future society, you do it by building democratic, participatory movements for change that address issues that directly impact peoples' lives. When the state and capital are unwilling or unable to meet the needs of the mass of the people, revolution can result.

Doug S

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Lauren <> wrote:
Honestly it will be neither a revolution nor a riot if our only
demands are some reforms on the legislative agenda which the
legislators will get rid of again in a matter of months.