Sent time:   Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:44:58 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests

 The NYC police dept is one of the most professional and highly organized paramilitary forces in the world and should not be underestimated.  Doug is right that the rank and file will always follow orders.  And their tactics are more effective than you may realize. 
Still as far as reaching the 99% is concerned treating the cops with more respect than they show us is important in maintaining an image as regular people fighting for freedom.  And as far as individual cops are concerned, it is often at the most critical times that a little kindness repays itself.  Just as kindness is more effecive for extracting information than torture, kindness toward the police as fellow victims rather than the enemy will make it harder for them to dehumanize us in their own minds.  I have friends that are good people in the police force and I would be pissed if they got hurt because some protestor took it to far, just as I am pissed that some cops take it too far. 
We need to be highly disciplined in our skirmishes so that nothing truly horrible happens.  We don't need any marters on either side.
On 09/25/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<> wrote:
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Jon Good wrote:

Gee, Doug. Some cops may have families to support and stuff, and the police culture (or even their union) isn't really known for being friendly to dissent. 

I know that it sucks and they are doing awful stuff, but honestly, their sympathy is important. Because there will come a time when we will need the cops, and many of them will be on our side. Not their bosses and the mayor's cronies who give the orders, but there will be some in the rank and file who will be on our side when push comes to shove.  

On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:

Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
I don't know.  But a blue shirt cop told me:

1.  They don't get told anything until the last minute
2.  He's in complete sympathy with us
3.  The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7.  Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, <> wrote:
 Why is it so often the officers in white shirts that are the most violent?
On 09/25/11, grimwomyn<> wrote:

These are just a few of the videos that made it online... there are many-- and they are staying up on youtube

I hope that the girls who were pepper sprayed get a gigantic settlement from nyc

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Elysa Lozano <> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. 
I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. 
Wondered if this was being centralized at all? 
Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down?