From:   Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:16:02 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: DEMANDS
 

Why don't we also get rid of the words like revolution, workers and

people like we're at it, I heard they were unpopular with a certain

crowd.

 

On Sep 26, 12:58 am, "Ms." <play.real...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like What Jon i selling- nI agree with those ideas very strongly, as

> well as all of the relation to the 99% part. We can only win the rest

> of the world if we drop words like  "Oppression" and get rid of things

> like "tax the rich" and "class War"

>

> On Sep 26, 12:40 am, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is

> > watching us right now.  We need real demands now.  Something everyone from

> > college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and

> > support.

>

> > Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start

> > with one overarching message:

> > *Democracy for the people, not the corporations*.

>

> > Beneath that, three points of what our goals:

> > *Stop *special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich*; *

> > *Create *a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

> > *Build *solidarity and economic justice for all

>

> > And below that, the specific action items:

>

> > - *Stop the housing crisis*. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending

> > and huge medical bills.

>

> > - *Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street.* Reinstate the 1933

> > Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial

> > banking.

>

> > - *Tax all financial transactions* as we tax all goods through a sales tax.

> > Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now.

>

> > -* Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now*. Pair the

> > taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax.

>

> > - *Corporations are not and will never be people.* End corporate personhood

> > under the 14th Amendment.

>

> > - *Ban all corporate funding to political candidates.* Introduce a tax bonus

> > that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate

> > or party of his or her choice.

>

> > - *Radical reform of the electoral system.* Enable new political formations

> > to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

>

> > I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets

> > off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just

> > a bunch of crazy hippies.  We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we

> > have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's

> > 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.

>

> > I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.

>

> > Solidarity,

>

> > Jon

>

> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to

> > > some type of interim resolution by end of meeting

>

> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsen...@gmail.com>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Agreed.  I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the

> > > > core of their criticism.

> > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired

> > > >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific

> > > demands,

> > > >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press

> > > >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With

> > > concrete,

> > > >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken

> > > far

> > > >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks

> > > and

> > > >> police brutality.

>

> > > >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow.

> > > >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the

> > > GA,

> > > >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there

> > > were

> > > >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work

> > > >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY

> > > there

> > > >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated.

>

> > > >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also

> > > >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider

> > > >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't

> > > keep

> > > >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however

> > > >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no

> > > clear

> > > >> goal.

>

> > > >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is

> > > working

> > > >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue

> > > needs to

> > > >> be addressed immediately.

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