From:   Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:36:15 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: DEMANDS
 

Lauren, I understand your sentiment and frustration here, but there's a huge difference.  But the world watching comes from all kinds of different circumstances, and we need to respect them for it.  My aim here is to distill our demands and goals into language that can be accepted and resonate with as many people as possible.  Our actions aren't changing.  Our beliefs aren't changing.  We're still having a revolution. 

Solidarity,

Jon

p.s. On a side note, I do think "workers" has lost its ring lately, for the simple reason that so many people are out of work. Moreover, what work is available is likely to serve infernal corporate designs, which people aren't necessarily proud to be doing.  


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
Why don't we also get rid of the words like revolution, workers and
people like we're at it, I heard they were unpopular with a certain
crowd.

On Sep 26, 12:58 am, "Ms." <play.real...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like What Jon i selling- nI agree with those ideas very strongly, as
> well as all of the relation to the 99% part. We can only win the rest
> of the world if we drop words like  "Oppression" and get rid of things
> like "tax the rich" and "class War"
>
> On Sep 26, 12:40 am, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is
> > watching us right now.  We need real demands now.  Something everyone from
> > college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and
> > support.
>
> > Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start
> > with one overarching message:
> > *Democracy for the people, not the corporations*.
>
> > Beneath that, three points of what our goals:
> > *Stop *special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich*; *
> > *Create *a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;
> > *Build *solidarity and economic justice for all
>
> > And below that, the specific action items:
>
> > - *Stop the housing crisis*. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending
> > and huge medical bills.
>
> > - *Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street.* Reinstate the 1933
> > Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial
> > banking.
>
> > - *Tax all financial transactions* as we tax all goods through a sales tax.
> > Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now.
>
> > -* Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now*. Pair the
> > taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax.
>
> > - *Corporations are not and will never be people.* End corporate personhood
> > under the 14th Amendment.
>
> > - *Ban all corporate funding to political candidates.* Introduce a tax bonus
> > that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate
> > or party of his or her choice.
>
> > - *Radical reform of the electoral system.* Enable new political formations
> > to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.
>
> > I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets
> > off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just
> > a bunch of crazy hippies.  We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we
> > have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's
> > 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
>
> > I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.
>
> > Solidarity,
>
> > Jon
>
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to
> > > some type of interim resolution by end of meeting
>
> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsen...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Agreed.  I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the
> > > > core of their criticism.
> > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired
> > > >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific
> > > demands,
> > > >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press
> > > >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With
> > > concrete,
> > > >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken
> > > far
> > > >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks
> > > and
> > > >> police brutality.
>
> > > >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow.
> > > >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the
> > > GA,
> > > >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there
> > > were
> > > >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work
> > > >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY
> > > there
> > > >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated.
>
> > > >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also
> > > >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider
> > > >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't
> > > keep
> > > >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however
> > > >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no
> > > clear
> > > >> goal.
>
> > > >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is
> > > working
> > > >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue
> > > needs to
> > > >> be addressed immediately.

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