Sent time:   Monday, September 26, 2011 4:31:01 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS

On 09/26/11, gail zawacki<> wrote:
"Everyone already knows we want universal health care, egalitarian rights,
universal shelter, universal sustenance."

Everyone does NOT know that.

Keep it Simple - What is our one Simple Demand?

Get corporate money out of politics.

All other things will follow if this country turns back into a real democracy - the reason it isn't a democracy anymore is corporate money influencing the political process.

If there was no health care lobbying we would have universal health care.

If there was no fossil fuel lobbying we would have climate science instead of lies.  We would have regulations and legislation.

If there was no lobbying by Lockheed Martin and Blackwater - the profiteers of war - we wouldn't have war.

If banks didn't have  lobbying we wouldn't have had the bubbles and the housing crisis.


This does not need to be enumerated, because individually it will be contentious as someone already noted.  But one person one vote is something Americans of all stripes can agree on - and a people's government will follow that can thrash out the details.

So, the simple demand is corporate (and this includes the banks) money out of politics.  No more campaign contributions, political ads, funding of "think tanks" or "foundations" producing political ads.  All money for politics comes from actual human voters, with limits on spending.

Now that WOULD be a revolution.

Woke up with this on my mind!

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <> wrote:

But some of us are at New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts at 6:30- also in the park. How will that work?


From: [] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS


We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion.



On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <> wrote:

Hi I have spent all Sunday  at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page.


I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. 


I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. 


Beneath that, three points of what our goals: 

Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich

Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; 

Build solidarity and economic justice for all


Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams.





On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <> wrote:

I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now.  We need real demands now.  Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support.


Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: 

Democracy for the people, not the corporations. 


Beneath that, three points of what our goals: 

Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich

Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; 

Build solidarity and economic justice for all


And below that, the specific action items:

Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills.

Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. 

Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now.

- Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax.

Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment.
Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. 

Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. 



I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies.  We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.


I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.






On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <> wrote:

should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to
some type of interim resolution by end of meeting

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
> Agreed.  I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the
> core of their criticism.
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <> wrote:
>> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired
>> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands,
>> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press
>> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete,
>> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far
>> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and
>> police brutality.
>> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow.
>> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA,
>> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were
>> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work
>> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there
>> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated.
>> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also
>> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider
>> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep
>> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however
>> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear
>> goal.
>> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working
>> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to
>> be addressed immediately.