From:   Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Monday, September 26, 2011 9:53:07 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park
 

On the possibility of getting evicted from the park, check out the following very interesting article from the Wall Street Journal. Among other things, it confirms that the police have been pressuring the park owners to let us remain there, likely because they don't want to deal with hundreds of people sleeping on the streets, which would be even more disruptive for the financial district than what we're already doing. I initially thought the cops would never let us stay in the park on weekdays, but it seems like they would rather deal with that than us sleeping on the streets. The reason they may have backed off from evicting us on Saturday is that they overheard us talking about setting up on the sidewalks.

Doug

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204831304576593371443552888.html

Protest Has Unlikely Host

By ANDREW GROSSMAN

The activists protesting against American financial institutions in Lower Manhattan have had an unlikely host for their eight-day-old encampment: Brookfield Office Properties Inc., a giant office landlord more accustomed to housing big banks than anticapitalist agitators.

Hundreds of activists have camped out for the past week in Zuccotti Park, a public space that's owned by Brookfield and named for its co-chairman, John Zuccotti. It isn't far from the target of the protest's ire, Wall Street.

Brookfield would rather have the protesters removed, but the New York Police Department has urged the firm to let them stay, according to a person familiar with the matter. Both Brookfield and the NYPD say they're working together to resolve the situation.

"Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation," the company said in a statement. "We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."

Melissa Coley, a spokeswoman for the firm, declined to comment on any tension with the NYPD. Paul Browne, a police spokesman, didn't respond to an email seeking comment.

The private ownership puts Zuccotti Park in a legal gray area that has yet to be resolved in court, said Jerold Kayden, a Harvard professor who wrote a book on such spaces.

Unlike city sidewalks, where a federal judge has ruled demonstrators can sleep, there's less precedent for places like Zuccotti Park. "The accent in privately-owned public space, for purposes of the public, is on public," Mr. Kayden said. "Owners are required to make the space available to members of the public for reasonable use."

The park is one of many in the city created by developers to get zoning incentives—generally the ability to build taller buildings.

Christopher Dunn, the associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said the park's unusual legal status might give protesters more leverage in court.

So far, the loosely organized protests haven't encountered much trouble from authorities in the park. Only when they tried to erect a tent and write in chalk on the sidewalk did police move in and make arrests. More than 80 protesters were arrested Saturday during a march without a permit to Union Square.

On Sunday afternoon, protesters were still in Zuccotti Park, laying out sleeping bags and promising to stay indefinitely.

Meanwhile, Brookfield—whose tenants include Bank of America Corp. and Morgan Stanley—started Sunday to make their park slightly more inhospitable.

Brookfield posted rules against a range of behaviors such as laying tarps, sleeping bags and personal property on the ground.

Previously, the only rules posted in the park prohibited skateboarding, rollerblading and bicycling. Men in suits tried to pass out printed copies of the rules, but protesters refused and chanted "Don't take the papers". So they put stacks on benches and tables, prompting the protesters to accuse them of littering.

The rules could give authorities a reason to eject protesters. It could also prompt lawsuits that define the rights of protesters in New York City's privately owned parks with public access.

—Amber Benham contributed to this article.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
awesome! let me know if you need support or backup to go with you-- GOOD LUCK! I am burning candles for OWS getting it!


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone already been to the precinct to request a sound permit?

If not, I'm planning to go tomorrow around 11am.


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote:
A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the
current dynamic of the assemblies.  Being able to organize assembies
with a loudspeaker instead the people´s mike would be a dream come
true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again!  If you
need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us.

On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote:
>  Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work.  Hopefully they don't know what their talking about.  Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately.  Keep an eye out.
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> On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes
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> On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote:
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>  The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday.  Pls contact the park and tell them if possible.
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> On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great!
> We are working on asoundpermit.
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> On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote:
> > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at
> > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the
> > same as a Free University. We can do both.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com]
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> > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can
> > work with you (especially since you're in the group).
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM
> > To:september17@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall
> > Street, date and time TBD
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> > hey gang!
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> > The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist
> > economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at
> > Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time.
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> > With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we
> > start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to
> > say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't
> > know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message
> > we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures.
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> > Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I
> > know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I
> > do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals.
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> > Ok! Thanks!
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> > Nico
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