From:   grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:56:42 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
 

Agreed

On Sep 27, 2011 10:51 AM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
> lets also not expend 2 much energy winning over or even dissing the cops.
> they are not our enemy.
>
> -j
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an
>> extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility.
>> The cops have *always* been used to attack protesters - remember Selma?
>> the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have *NEVER* switched sides.
>> It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and
>> attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means
>> losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR
>> for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side"
>> is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis
>> rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square???
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they
>>> forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are
>>> workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor
>>> said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they
>>> are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders
>>> are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their
>>> side might help.
>>>
>>> ~GARY
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police
>>>> to show their wounds and tell their stories.
>>>>
>>>> Marisa
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police
>>>> officers to
>>>> > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our
>>>> contradiction
>>>> > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when
>>>> they
>>>> > prop up the financiers will.
>>>> >
>>>> > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly
>>>> > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously
>>>> > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the
>>>> law"
>>>> > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and
>>>> may be
>>>> > good for the longevity of the movement.
>>>> > ~GARY
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank
>>>> >> them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> revolution! not resolution!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but
>>>> rather
>>>> >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went
>>>> overboard,
>>>> >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution,
>>>> >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire
>>>> fighters
>>>> >>>> are part of the 99%.
>>>> >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the
>>>> occupation.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <
>>>> amin.husain@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Tomás Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR
>>>> clean-up.
>>>> >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and
>>>> Saturday
>>>> >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the
>>>> press
>>>> >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane
>>>> Williams, was
>>>> >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while
>>>> Black).
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think?
>>>> >>>>>> -Conor
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net>
>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
>>>> >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's
>>>> >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule
>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its
>>>> public
>>>> >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly
>>>> illegal race
>>>> >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently
>>>> specifically designed
>>>> >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187
>>>> >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
>>>> >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to
>>>> >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren);
>>>> A, C to
>>>> >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E
>>>> to WTC;
>>>> >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg.,
>>>> equivalent of
>>>> >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N >
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.]
>>>> >>>>>> = = =
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400
>>>> >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org>
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told
>>>> >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly
>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in
>>>> New York
>>>> >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests
>>>> among
>>>> >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in
>>>> >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA)
>>>> and the
>>>> >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA).
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those
>>>> arrested
>>>> >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth.
>>>> The NYPD's
>>>> >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along
>>>> with
>>>> >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven
>>>> these
>>>> >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It
>>>> can make
>>>> >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of
>>>> their
>>>> >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
>>>> >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective
>>>> >>>>>> implementation.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's
>>>> policy
>>>> >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call
>>>> for the
>>>> >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and
>>>> City
>>>> >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J
>>>> >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall
>>>> (Broadway &
>>>> >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers
>>>> (at W.
>>>> >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St.
>>>> Municipal
>>>> >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N >
>>>> -t.]
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly
>>>> Member
>>>> >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and
>>>> Jumaane D.
>>>> >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND:
>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure
>>>> from
>>>> >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray
>>>> Kelly issued
>>>> >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession
>>>> laws,
>>>> >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public
>>>> view when
>>>> >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This
>>>> change
>>>> >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New
>>>> York
>>>> >>>>>> City.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law.
>>>> >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of
>>>> 25 grams
>>>> >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not
>>>> arrest and
>>>> >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a
>>>> criminal
>>>> >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession
>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were
>>>> arrested for
>>>> >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests
>>>> and making
>>>> >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were
>>>> not for
>>>> >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an
>>>> officer's demand
>>>> >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being
>>>> improperly charged
>>>> >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal
>>>> violation
>>>> >>>>>> offense.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with
>>>> >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his
>>>> policy change,
>>>> >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this
>>>> directive. This
>>>> >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New
>>>> York state,
>>>> >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The
>>>> NYC City
>>>> >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito)
>>>> >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation.
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing
>>>> Network
>>>> >>>>>> (NYCAHN)
>>>> >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails***
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders
>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell)
>>>> >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
>>>> >>>>>> <!--[endif]-->
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org
>>>> >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny
>>>> >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork
>>>> >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>,
>>>> >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> = = =
>>>> >>>>>> Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org
>>>> >>>>>>
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