From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:21:32 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
 

 Hi Conor:  I try to be a fair person and I spend hours reading emails on this listserve every night, because I do try to read carefully.  If I misunderstood you I appologize.  If I only commented on one part, it may be because only one part was controversial to me.
 
Pls give me more detail or maybe reply to my original message because I'm not sure which of my many ramblings you refer to.  I'm interested in dialogue to move things foward.
 
Thanks John (jem)
 
 
On 09/27/11, Conor Tomás Reed<conortomasreed@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the tactical suggestion, Lisa. I agree that we need to make alliances with groups like VOCAL, even though this press conference seems to give the NYPD a clear pass from the despicable actions over the weekend and late last week. We have to see the connection here.

Jem, you didn't consider anything I wrote. Instead, you focused on one sentence that you found uncomfortable, and then went with that. Like in the GA, we need to listen to each other before we respond. FYI, a police officer who was at the Baruch College protest yesterday told me he wished cops had "bashed all their heads in" on Saturday. Ahem.

It looks like community folks are on board with nonviolently protesting the NYPD. See this facebook event for Friday https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=214291185301829

I urge us to actively follow the community's lead on this. It's an OWS issue, but more widely an issue of racism, anti-poor brutality, sexism, homophobia, and all the rest that consolidate a strong (and historically supported!) analysis that the police are not our friends. If you would like to disagree, go through those videos from Saturday again.

despite above frustrations, continued solidarity,
-Conor


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, just talked to Jeremy,

Ray Kelly is not only not going to be at the conference tomorrow, but the conference is to congratulate NYPD for easing up on the small marijuana arrests: http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2011/09/26/a-change-on-marijuana-arrests/

So, Jeremy has requested that nothing be done to distract from his message. He will be coming down to Liberty Park on Saturday afternoon after the OWS march and brainstorm with whomever is available how both OWS and his org, Vocal http://www.vocal-ny.org/ can work together to make each other stronger in the coming weeks.

sweet dreams all-


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Contacting him now.

On Sep 26, 2011 10:00 PM, "Lisa Fithian" <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:
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> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jemcgloin@verizon.net
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> This kind of thing would be a public relations coup. I was on Andrew Breitbarts website today, and there were three hundred #$%^$# talking about how great it is that the cops were beating on the hippies. If we could handle the situation with dignity and respect it would throw everybody for a loop. You have to keep them off balance.
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> On 09/26/11, Gary Roland<opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote:
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> However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement.
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> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2011/9/26 Conor Tomás Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com>
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> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black).
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> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
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> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away.
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> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza
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> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N >
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400
> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org>
> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability!
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> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year.
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> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance.
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> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
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> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
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> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.]
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> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others
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> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City.
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> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail.
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> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense.
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> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito)
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