From:   Luis Moreno-Caballud <>
Sent time:   Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:24:59 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27

On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:05 PM, wrote:

 I agree completely that the cops will never switch sides.  But I do think that we can win more support from the 99% by acting as if they might.  By treating the cops as part of the 99%, we will avoid alienating people that we need.  The people that were arrested will have to decide what to do with their well earned anger, and I support them 100%.  But by showing up in suits and quitely putting our point across, we can confound attempts to make us look like spoiled college students and out of work hippies.  Always keep them guessing. 
On 09/27/11, Doug Singsen<> wrote:
People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square???


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <> wrote:
After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us.  The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind.  Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends.  A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help.


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <> wrote:
We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police
to show their wounds and tell their stories.


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <> wrote:
> I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to
> start acting responsibly and non-violently.  This could be our contradiction
> event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they
> prop up the financiers will.
> However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly
> should resign.  Disrupting the police press conference would obviously
> escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law"
> and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be
> good for the longevity of the movement.
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
>> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank
>> them.
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <>
>> wrote:
>>> revolution!  not resolution!
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather
>>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard,
>>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution,
>>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters
>>>> are part of the 99%.
>>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation.
>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Conor, Great idea!
>>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Tomás Reed <>
>>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up.
>>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the
>>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday
>>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press
>>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was
>>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black).
>>>>>> what do y'all think?
>>>>>> -Conor
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: todd eaton <>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's
>>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of
>>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public
>>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race
>>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed
>>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away.
>>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187
>>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
>>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza
>>>>>> TRANSIT:  #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to
>>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to
>>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC;
>>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of
>>>>>> Chambers St.;  MAP:  < >
>>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand."  - Anon.]
>>>>>>  =  =  =
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400
>>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability!
>>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told
>>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and
>>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York
>>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among
>>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year.
>>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in
>>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the
>>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA).
>>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested
>>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's
>>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with
>>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these
>>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make
>>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their
>>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance.
>>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
>>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective
>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy
>>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the
>>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City
>>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
>>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
>>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J
>>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway &
>>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W.
>>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal
>>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map:  < > -t.]
>>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member
>>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D.
>>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others
>>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from
>>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued
>>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws,
>>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when
>>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change
>>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York
>>>>>> City.
>>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law.
>>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams
>>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and
>>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal
>>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail.
>>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of
>>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for
>>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making
>>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for
>>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand
>>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged
>>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation
>>>>>> offense.
>>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with
>>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change,
>>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive.  This
>>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state,
>>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City
>>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito)
>>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network
>>>>>> (NYCAHN)
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>>>>>> Jeremy Saunders
>>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell)
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