From:   Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:01:17 PM
To:   september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store
 

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On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that brands us

> as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA doesnt mean

> that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor,

> dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way it would

> mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people got them

> for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say, what

> colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect, and how

> do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like working on

> chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling shirts.

> this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we need to

> be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used to

> undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and all the

> other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as indeed being

> revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced T-shirts

> > and such… people want to represent (but don't want to bother making their

> > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with it? I

> > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to have to

> > buy stuff… are there any other better places to give the money from that to?

>

> > --glj

>

> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go

> >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business

> >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we

> >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling

> >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the

> >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness.

>

> >> but lets get that idea to the GA

>

> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA

>

> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to

> >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go

> >>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing

>

> >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on

> >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned

>

> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today?

>

> >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the

> >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it.

>

> >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She

> >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to

> >>>>> cafepress.

>

> >>>>> justin

>

> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK come

> >>>>>> from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone making

> >>>>>> money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as a donation

> >>>>>> to the cause

>

> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>  I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should go

>

> >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even

> >>>>>>> if it means less money for us.

>

> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store

> >>>>>>>> under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there

> >>>>>>>> be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance

> >>>>>>>> team.

>

> >>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll

> >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written agreement.

>

> >>>>>>>> -justin

>

> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this:

> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore

>

> >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming

> >>>>>>>>> to OWS?

>

> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this.

> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvah...@gmail.com>

> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The

> >>>>>>>>>> USA" *items up

> >>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick

> >>>>>>>>>> which items

> >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell.

>

> >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in

> >>>>>>>>>> any way

> >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right?

>

> >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>

> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections?

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice!

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>

> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~

> >>>>>>>>>> >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at

> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab<http://usuncut.org/yeslab>

> >>>>>>>>>> >USUncut.org/yeslab

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT

> >>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com>

> >>>>>>>>>> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising*

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin,

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this

> >>>>>>>>>> evening

> >>>>>>>>>> >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up

> >>>>>>>>>> today) at

> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change>

> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other

> >>>>>>>>>> offices in KY

> >>>>>>>>>> >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out

> >>>>>>>>>> of. I have

> >>>>>>>>>> >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up

> >>>>>>>>>> from

> >>>>>>>>>> >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to

> >>>>>>>>>> fund the

> >>>>>>>>>> >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is

> >>>>>>>>>> something

> >>>>>>>>>> >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go

> >>>>>>>>>> against any of

> >>>>>>>>>> >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank

> >>>>>>>>>> you for your

> >>>>>>>>>> >> time and stay strong.

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> --

> >>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!!

>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington

> >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028>

> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com

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