From:   grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:26:30 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store
 

Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it would be better for people who want to be identified as supporters to be wearing a shirt made by us, and printed by a small mom and pop business, not cafe press or some shyster using the ows brand, but if this is how the group feels abt it I will drop but web space is not free and tshirts would buy a lot of blankets

On Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that brands us
>> as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA doesnt mean
>> that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor,
>> dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way it would
>> mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people got them
>> for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say, what
>> colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect, and how
>> do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like working on
>> chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling shirts.
>> this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we need to
>> be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used to
>> undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and all the
>> other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as indeed being
>> revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks...
>>
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>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced T-shirts
>> > and such… people want to represent (but don't want to bother making their
>> > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with it? I
>> > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to have to
>> > buy stuff… are there any other better places to give the money from that to?
>>
>> > --glj
>>
>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go
>> >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business
>> >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we
>> >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling
>> >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the
>> >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness.
>>
>> >> but lets get that idea to the GA
>>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA
>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to
>> >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go
>> >>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing
>>
>> >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on
>> >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned
>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today?
>>
>> >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the
>> >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it.
>>
>> >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She
>> >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to
>> >>>>> cafepress.
>>
>> >>>>> justin
>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK come
>> >>>>>> from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone making
>> >>>>>> money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as a donation
>> >>>>>> to the cause
>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>  I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should go
>>
>> >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even
>> >>>>>>> if it means less money for us.
>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store
>> >>>>>>>> under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there
>> >>>>>>>> be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance
>> >>>>>>>> team.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll
>> >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written agreement.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> -justin
>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this:
>> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming
>> >>>>>>>>> to OWS?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this.
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvah...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The
>> >>>>>>>>>> USA" *items up
>> >>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick
>> >>>>>>>>>> which items
>> >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in
>> >>>>>>>>>> any way
>> >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice!
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab<http://usuncut.org/yeslab>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >USUncut.org/yeslab
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising*
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin,
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this
>> >>>>>>>>>> evening
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up
>> >>>>>>>>>> today) at
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other
>> >>>>>>>>>> offices in KY
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out
>> >>>>>>>>>> of. I have
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up
>> >>>>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to
>> >>>>>>>>>> fund the
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is
>> >>>>>>>>>> something
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go
>> >>>>>>>>>> against any of
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank
>> >>>>>>>>>> you for your
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> time and stay strong.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!!
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com
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