From:   L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:32:35 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store
 

*thumbs up*

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow.

On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
> not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the
> square "voted" on it.
> *ducks*
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it
>> would be better for people who want to be identified as supporters to be
>> wearing a shirt made by us, and printed by a small mom and pop business, not
>> cafe press or some shyster using the ows brand, but if this is how the group
>> feels abt it I will drop but web space is not free and tshirts would buy a
>> lot of blankets
>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +++++++++++1
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that
>> brands us
>> >> as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA doesnt
>> mean
>> >> that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor,
>> >> dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way it
>> would
>> >> mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people got
>> them
>> >> for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say,
>> what
>> >> colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect, and
>> how
>> >> do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like
>> working on
>> >> chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling
>> shirts.
>> >> this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we
>> need to
>> >> be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used to
>> >> undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and all
>> the
>> >> other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as indeed
>> being
>> >> revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced
>> T-shirts
>> >> > and such… people want to represent (but don't want to bother making
>> their
>> >> > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with
>> it? I
>> >> > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to
>> have to
>> >> > buy stuff… are there any other better places to give the money from
>> that to?
>> >>
>> >> > --glj
>> >>
>> >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could
>> go
>> >> >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a
>> business
>> >> >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come
>> cash, we
>> >> >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling
>> >> >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article
>> in the
>> >> >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be
>> madness.
>> >>
>> >> >> but lets get that idea to the GA
>> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA
>> >>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company
>> to
>> >> >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready
>> to go
>> >> >>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement
>> pricing
>> >>
>> >> >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on
>> >> >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned
>> >>
>> >> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today?
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across
>> the
>> >> >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this.
>> She
>> >> >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that does
>> not go to
>> >> >>>>> cafepress.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> justin
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <
>> mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK
>> come
>> >> >>>>>> from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone
>> making
>> >> >>>>>> money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as
>> a donation
>> >> >>>>>> to the cause
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should go
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much,
>> even
>> >> >>>>>>> if it means less money for us.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having this
>> store
>> >> >>>>>>>> under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA"
>> and that there
>> >> >>>>>>>> be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get
>> to our finance
>> >> >>>>>>>> team.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else
>> i'll
>> >> >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written
>> agreement.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>> -justin
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <
>> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really
>> coming
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to OWS?
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <
>> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <
>> saharvah...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In
>> The
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> USA" *items up
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can
>> pick
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> which items
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced
>> labor in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> any way
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right?
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <
>> jwe...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections?
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice!
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<
>> http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out
>> at
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab<http://usuncut.org/yeslab>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >USUncut.org/yeslab
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising*
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin,
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> evening
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set
>> up
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> today) at
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2
>> other
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> offices in KY
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done
>> out
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> of. I have
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the
>> prices up
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go
>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> fund the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this
>> is
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> something
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> against any of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it.
>> Thank
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> you for your
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> time and stay strong.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!!
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Ms. Wind



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