From:   J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:03:59 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store
 

Amazing.

JAM

On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They
> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be
> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp
> like Cafe Press.
>
> My father owns his own business.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *thumbs up*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square
>>> when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow.
>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the
>>> > square "voted" on it.
>>> > *ducks*
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it
>>> >> would be better for people who want to be identified as supporters to
>>> be
>>> >> wearing a shirt made by us, and printed by a small mom and pop
>>> business, not
>>> >> cafe press or some shyster using the ows brand, but if this is how the
>>> group
>>> >> feels abt it I will drop but web space is not free and tshirts would
>>> buy a
>>> >> lot of blankets
>>> >> On Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > +++++++++++1
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that
>>> >> brands us
>>> >> >> as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA
>>> doesnt
>>> >> mean
>>> >> >> that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor,
>>> >> >> dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way
>>> it
>>> >> would
>>> >> >> mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people
>>> got
>>> >> them
>>> >> >> for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say,
>>> >> what
>>> >> >> colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect,
>>> and
>>> >> how
>>> >> >> do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like
>>> >> working on
>>> >> >> chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling
>>> >> shirts.
>>> >> >> this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we
>>> >> need to
>>> >> >> be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used
>>> to
>>> >> >> undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and
>>> all
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as
>>> indeed
>>> >> being
>>> >> >> revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced
>>> >> T-shirts
>>> >> >> > and such… people want to represent (but don't want to bother
>>> making
>>> >> their
>>> >> >> > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree
>>> with
>>> >> it? I
>>> >> >> > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to
>>> >> have to
>>> >> >> > buy stuff… are there any other better places to give the money
>>> from
>>> >> that to?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > --glj
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <
>>> mskushn...@gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we
>>> could
>>> >> go
>>> >> >> >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a
>>> >> business
>>> >> >> >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come
>>> >> cash, we
>>> >> >> >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling
>>> >> >> >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an
>>> article
>>> >> in the
>>> >> >> >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be
>>> >> madness.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> but lets get that idea to the GA
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> grimwo...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing
>>> company
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be
>>> ready
>>> >> to go
>>> >> >> >>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain
>>> basement
>>> >> pricing
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on
>>> >> >> >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name
>>> across
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from
>>> this.
>>> >> She
>>> >> >> >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that
>>> does
>>> >> not go to
>>> >> >> >>>>> cafepress.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> justin
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <
>>> >> mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the
>>> OK
>>> >> come
>>> >> >> >>>>>> from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have
>>> someone
>>> >> making
>>> >> >> >>>>>> money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used
>>> as
>>> >> a donation
>>> >> >> >>>>>> to the cause
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should
>>> go
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so
>>> much,
>>> >> even
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> if it means less money for us.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having
>>> this
>>> >> store
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the
>>> USA"
>>> >> and that there
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will
>>> get
>>> >> to our finance
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> team.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else
>>> >> i'll
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written
>>> >> agreement.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> -justin
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> >> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really
>>> >> coming
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to OWS?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> >> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this.
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <
>>> >> saharvah...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made
>>> In
>>> >> The
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> USA" *items up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you
>>> can
>>> >> pick
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which items
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced
>>> >> labor in
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> any way
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <
>>> >> jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice!
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<
>>> >> http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it
>>> out
>>> >> at
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab<http://usuncut.org/yeslab>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >USUncut.org/yeslab
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone
>>> this
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> evening
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just
>>> set
>>> >> up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today) at
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2
>>> >> other
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> offices in KY
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is
>>> done
>>> >> out
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> of. I have
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the
>>> >> prices up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits
>>> will go
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fund the
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if
>>> this
>>> >> is
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> something
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to
>>> go
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> against any of
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support
>>> it.
>>> >> Thank
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> you for your
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> time and stay strong.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > -Ms. Wind
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Ms. Wind
>>
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