|Sent time:||Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:37:43 PM|
|Subject:||Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?|
Their pledge:"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day or the days immediately following, for as long as I can, with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine by occupying Freedom Plaza to demand that America's resources be invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning."
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM, grimwomyn <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
LOVE !!!!!! And it ties together into a larger movement! LOVE!!!!! YES!!!!!! together we are stronger!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!!
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, gail zawacki <email@example.com> wrote:
Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there any substantive difference?Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <email@example.com> wrote:
But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything.
Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.--
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <email@example.com> wrote:
I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak outOn Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good.
> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow
> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."
> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out
> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one
>> demand I still like
>> Get corporate money out of politics
>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a
>> real democracy.
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote:
>>> Joshua van Praag
>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is
>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>> email@example.com> wrote:
>>> > um my spell check does not work
>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!
>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>> >> What on earth does that mean?
>>> >> JAM
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <email@example.com>
>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty"
>>> >>> then move to the next?
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> -Ms. Wind
>>> >> --
>>> >> J.A. Myerson
>>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com
>>> >> 347.688.0241
>>> > --
>>> > -Ms. Wind
> -Ms. Wind
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