From:   grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:55:34 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store
 

The other thing to think about is to have both the couple in TN and yr father print Tshirts-- so that he can take orders west of the Mississippi river and they can take east so that either way shipping would be less expensive and get to people faster. Win for everyone involved!

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:52 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping?


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote:
My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". 

But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... 

So whatever you guys decide.....

I'm just offering because my father offered. 





On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay I am working on this--

I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com

I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that.

I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-- two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote:

Amazing.

JAM

On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They
> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be
> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp
> like Cafe Press.
>
> My father owns his own business.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *thumbs up*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square
>>> when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow.
>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the
>>> > square "voted" on it.
>>> > *ducks*
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it
>>> >> would be better for people who want to be identified as supporters to
>>> be
>>> >> wearing a shirt made by us, and printed by a small mom and pop
>>> business, not
>>> >> cafe press or some shyster using the ows brand, but if this is how the
>>> group
>>> >> feels abt it I will drop but web space is not free and tshirts would
>>> buy a
>>> >> lot of blankets
>>> >> On Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > +++++++++++1
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that
>>> >> brands us
>>> >> >> as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA
>>> doesnt
>>> >> mean
>>> >> >> that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor,
>>> >> >> dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way
>>> it
>>> >> would
>>> >> >> mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people
>>> got
>>> >> them
>>> >> >> for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say,
>>> >> what
>>> >> >> colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect,
>>> and
>>> >> how
>>> >> >> do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like
>>> >> working on
>>> >> >> chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling
>>> >> shirts.
>>> >> >> this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we
>>> >> need to
>>> >> >> be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used
>>> to
>>> >> >> undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and
>>> all
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as
>>> indeed
>>> >> being
>>> >> >> revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced
>>> >> T-shirts
>>> >> >> > and such… people want to represent (but don't want to bother
>>> making
>>> >> their
>>> >> >> > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree
>>> with
>>> >> it? I
>>> >> >> > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to
>>> >> have to
>>> >> >> > buy stuff… are there any other better places to give the money
>>> from
>>> >> that to?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > --glj
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <
>>> mskushn...@gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we
>>> could
>>> >> go
>>> >> >> >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a
>>> >> business
>>> >> >> >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come
>>> >> cash, we
>>> >> >> >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling
>>> >> >> >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an
>>> article
>>> >> in the
>>> >> >> >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be
>>> >> madness.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> but lets get that idea to the GA
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> grimwo...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing
>>> company
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be
>>> ready
>>> >> to go
>>> >> >> >>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain
>>> basement
>>> >> pricing
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on
>>> >> >> >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name
>>> across
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from
>>> this.
>>> >> She
>>> >> >> >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that
>>> does
>>> >> not go to
>>> >> >> >>>>> cafepress.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> justin
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <
>>> >> mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the
>>> OK
>>> >> come
>>> >> >> >>>>>> from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have
>>> someone
>>> >> making
>>> >> >> >>>>>> money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used
>>> as
>>> >> a donation
>>> >> >> >>>>>> to the cause
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should
>>> go
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so
>>> much,
>>> >> even
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> if it means less money for us.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having
>>> this
>>> >> store
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the
>>> USA"
>>> >> and that there
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will
>>> get
>>> >> to our finance
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> team.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else
>>> >> i'll
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written
>>> >> agreement.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> -justin
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> >> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really
>>> >> coming
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to OWS?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <
>>> >> grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this.
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <
>>> >> saharvah...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made
>>> In
>>> >> The
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> USA" *items up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you
>>> can
>>> >> pick
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which items
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced
>>> >> labor in
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> any way
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <
>>> >> jwe...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice!
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<
>>> >> http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it
>>> out
>>> >> at
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab<http://usuncut.org/yeslab>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >USUncut.org/yeslab
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone
>>> this
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> evening
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just
>>> set
>>> >> up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today) at
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2
>>> >> other
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> offices in KY
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is
>>> done
>>> >> out
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> of. I have
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the
>>> >> prices up
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits
>>> will go
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fund the
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if
>>> this
>>> >> is
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> something
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to
>>> go
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> against any of
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support
>>> it.
>>> >> Thank
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> you for your
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> time and stay strong.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028>
>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > -Ms. Wind
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Ms. Wind
>>



--
-Ms. Wind




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