From:   Jackie DiSalvo <>
Sent time:   Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:20:04 AM
Subject:   RE: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?



From: [] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?


First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution.


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <> wrote:

Agreed Drew.  The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away.  Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform.  I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government.


The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%.  We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities.  We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.


This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th:



On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <> wrote:

Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.


We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice.


Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.