From:   Sean Captain <sean@seancaptain.com>
Sent time:   Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:42:08 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   RE: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?
 

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Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

 

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>From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On

>Behalf Of Doug Singsen

>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM

>To: september17@googlegroups.com

>Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

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>First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have

>demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The

>two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that

>would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street

>to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects

>for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere

>near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a

>quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support

>reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a

>revolution.

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>Doug

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>On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote:

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>Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait

>for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise

>up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we

>should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial

>reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt

>government.

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>The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind

>went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we

>should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming

>general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99%

>organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.

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>This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th:

>https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

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>On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:

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>Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.

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>We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds,

>shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that

>hears every voice.

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>Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open,

>free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world

>what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

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