From:   Jackie DiSalvo <>
Sent time:   Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:00:48 AM
Subject:   RE: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!


(I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and

similarities between the 60s' and our present movement)


I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with

the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much

of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class

and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am

working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies.

We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with

unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and

even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out

about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising

Up Angry in Chicago.


Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This

was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student

teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first

graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down

the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement

which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war.

Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school

teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders

had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis

movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public

school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their

consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was

anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which

joined us in anti-war marches.


Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March

on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as

with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American.



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Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation



for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon

as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the

Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to

this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made

our society more humane. However economically and this is only very

partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically.

What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s

and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do

what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just

put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being








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From: Jon Good <>

To: september17 <>

Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am

Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite

protest/liberation song?!?!


My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that

1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things

surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making

money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to

the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect

with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white

folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within

that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it.


I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too

many lyrics for people to be understood.  



Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie

movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective.








On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki

&lt;; wrote:


Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give

Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever  - Earth?  It fun to sing

and add clangy music to.



On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an

investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I

bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is,

that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching

for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the

incident).  He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.




On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi

&lt;; wrote:



Hey lovelies,


I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we

could all sing in unison on one of our marches.  If people like it we

could repeat it.  I can make copies at my office so if people want to

send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out

some lyric sheets!


Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even

though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like

"where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas.  But don't let that stop you

from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down.


The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun!


Peace and Love,