From:   Matthew Bralow <>
Sent time:   Friday, September 30, 2011 7:17:58 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion

silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the

guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of

nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in

advance! matt


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar <> wrote:

> Back to the drawing board.

> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence,

> vision statement...?) and process (subgroups, online,paper boards...)

> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion

> should continue in parallel.

> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA.

> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex

> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that.

> Cesar


> Sent from phone



> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:


> What causes unify us?  What are actual things we all can agree are

> important? Things that we can do now.  These demands will be our first

> steps.  Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING)  of these things cause problems

> for anyone?  What else can we agree on that are like these?



> Get the influence of money out of politics

> End military aggression abroad

> Bring financial predators to justice




> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ <> wrote:


>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a

>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other

>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for

>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages,

>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two,

>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly

>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably

>> have a great deal of popular support.


>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, wrote:

>> >  +1

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>> > On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<>wrote:All,

>> >

>> > I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty

>> > Square.  I am on the facilitation working group and others.  I agree with

>> > all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals.  I think that

>> > process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity.  I also think the

>> > Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment

>> > on the specific items mentioned, for the moment).  I note that there is a

>> > consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of

>> > the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm.  If

>> > so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult

>> > GA because of the competing approaches and understandings.  I am concerned

>> > we will not get far enough.  If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest

>> > of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have

>> > proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves

>> > with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment

>> > and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions

>> > as point of compromise.  This may help a great deal.  Recognize that the GA,

>> > from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the

>> > body.  We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great

>> > damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will

>> > not like what they see.  This is just a suggestion.  We are doing great, and

>> > we can figure this out.  I will say this.  Let us not panic or get

>> > frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as

>> > soon as possible.

>> >

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>> >

>> > Amin