Sent time:   Friday, September 30, 2011 4:07:08 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion

I can't meet but please let me know what you guys talk about.  I have refined my demands down to: 
"Get off the couch, get informed, and take responsibility for your world."  :)    
 Just throwing that out there.
On 09/30/11, Doug Singsen<> wrote:
I'd like to join this group as well. The anti-police brutality demo is today at 5:30, we should meet at a time that won't overlap with it.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Amin Husain <> wrote:
I am!  Want to meet at 5 pm today?

On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Bralow <> wrote:

> silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the
> guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of
> nyc?  when do you meet?  who is point person i can contact?  thanks in
> advance!  matt
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar <> wrote:
>> Back to the drawing board.
>> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence,
>> vision statement...?) and process (subgroups, online,paper boards...)
>> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion
>> should continue in parallel.
>> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA.
>> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex
>> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that.
>> Cesar
>> Sent from phone
>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:
>> What causes unify us?  What are actual things we all can agree are
>> important? Things that we can do now.  These demands will be our first
>> steps.  Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING)  of these things cause problems
>> for anyone?  What else can we agree on that are like these?
>> Get the influence of money out of politics
>> End military aggression abroad
>> Bring financial predators to justice
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ <> wrote:
>>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a
>>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other
>>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for
>>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages,
>>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two,
>>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly
>>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably
>>> have a great deal of popular support.
>>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, wrote:
>>>>  +1
>>>> On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<>wrote:All,
>>>> I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty
>>>> Square.  I am on the facilitation working group and others.  I agree with
>>>> all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals.  I think that
>>>> process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity.  I also think the
>>>> Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment
>>>> on the specific items mentioned, for the moment).  I note that there is a
>>>> consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of
>>>> the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm.  If
>>>> so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult
>>>> GA because of the competing approaches and understandings.  I am concerned
>>>> we will not get far enough.  If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest
>>>> of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have
>>>> proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves
>>>> with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment
>>>> and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions
>>>> as point of compromise.  This may help a great deal.  Recognize that the GA,
>>>> from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the
>>>> body.  We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great
>>>> damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will
>>>> not like what they see.  This is just a suggestion.  We are doing great, and
>>>> we can figure this out.  I will say this.  Let us not panic or get
>>>> frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as
>>>> soon as possible.
>>>> Amin